面包师不支付应得的报酬吗?
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这个问题似乎更有趣:"如何计算预期的投资回报率".做一些粗略的计算,似乎7%适合每年.对于周期33-84,似乎3%正确.我认为他们只是考虑不同的时间段.This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.
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- 2019-03-27
- Tom
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2 个回答
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- 2019-03-27
我是Axel,是bakersperformanceindex.com 背后的开发人员,希望该工具可以帮助您检查烘焙过程您正在使用的服务.
其背后的基本思想是:
- 将相同数量的xtz委托给烘焙服务,在我们的示例中为10xtz
- 在同一周期(在我们的情况下为第34周期)进行委托
- 以简单原始的方式收集和显示数据
因此,我在第34周期将10xtz委托给60个面包师.
基本上有3个主要的列:
- 周期34->n-2
- 周期n-1
- 周期n
每个列都有3个子列
- 奖励
- 投资回报率
- 余额
奖励/ROI/余额是每一列的标题.
让我们举个例子:哈耶克实验室(Hayek Lab)的色谱柱循环34->循环88(目前是2019年3月27日,在Tezos时间为90循环)
- 奖励:0.268
- 投资回报率:2.681%
- 余额10.268
因此,在周期34和88年,Hayek Lab已为所委派的10XTZ分配了0.268XTZ的奖励,这在54个周期内的投资回报率为2.68%.
如果我们使用以下数字进行年度计算:
- 一年中的周期数:365/3=121.66
- 121.66/54=2.25(我们已经在121.66个循环中烘焙了54个循环)
- 哈耶克实验室的年化回报率:2.25 * 2.68%=6.03%
我认为数字是一致的
如果以第89周期的数字为准,则有:
- 奖励0.0058
- 投资回报率:0.056%(一个周期的投资回报率为0.056%)
- 余额:10.274
这是我们在55个循环中烘烤后的余额.周期为89时的年投资回报率:0.0058 * 121.66=6.77%
数字再次一致.
如果我不对投资回报率进行年度化,是因为,假设您选择的面包师出于某种原因没有分配奖励,那么您的年化投资回报率就不一样了.
我只想依靠经过验证的数据,显示的所有数据都是我们现在拥有的数据,而不是未来的计划.
在一年或121个周期或155个周期之后,我们将获得一年的数据,因此投资回报率将非常准确.
更多评论:
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如果某些面包师显示0,仅仅是由于各种原因,我们没有从他们那里得到任何回报:
- 10xtz<接受的最低委托金额
- 未经面包师授权的匿名代表团
- 贝克是一个骗局,节点不起作用...
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我希望我可以在第100个周期将1000 xtz委托给所有烘焙服务.我试图说服面包师上班.
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许多新功能即将推出,但它们的开发需要时间&资源.
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您可以通过[email protected]与我联系,以交流想法.
I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.
The basic idea behind it was:
- delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz
- delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34
- collect and display data in a simple and raw manner
So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.
There are basically 3 major columns:
- cycle 34-->n-2
- cycle n-1
- cycle n
Each column has 3 sub-columns
- Rewards
- ROI
- Balance
Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.
Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)
- Rewards: 0.268
- ROI: 2.681%
- Balance 10.268
So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.
If we annualize with the following figures:
- Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66
- 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)
- Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%
I think numbers are consistent
If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:
- Rewards 0.0058
- ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)
- Balance:10.274
This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%
Figures are once again consistent.
If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.
I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.
After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.
Few more comments:
If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:
- 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted
- Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker
- baker is a scam, node not working...
I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.
Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.
You can get in touch with me at [email protected] for sharing ideas.
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谢谢!两个建议.为什么不添加有效的ROI,估计的年度ROI和一些简单的FAQ/文档?:)Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)
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- 2019-03-27
- luchonacho
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您当然应该显示年化数字,将其命名为您想要的,但是否则该数据将不能用于在面包师A和面包师B之间进行比较.此外,您还需要提供毛额和净额,因为在10 xtz的委派下,交易会显着影响奖励费用.You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.
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- 2019-03-28
- Ezy
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@Ezy看起来这些数字真是毛骨悚然.但是我想这也是mytezosbaker中提出的那个.@Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.
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- 2019-03-28
- luchonacho
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- 2019-03-27
我相信收集和显示在此页面上的数据的时间长度不足以代表.
该页面指出,收益数据是在第34到88个周期之间测量的,这是54个周期,大约160天或5.25个月.
在您的示例中,由面包师估计的ROI的7.1%表示为年收益,即12个月,因此页面上的ROI仅代表此时间范围的44%.因此,似乎在12个月后,面包师将可能达到估计的ROI.这里没什么可疑的.
对于那些投资回报率为0%的面包师,我认为他们尚未包括在该项目中,并且数据只是丢失了,尽管我没有检查.
I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.
The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.
In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.
As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.
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哦!我以为他们是年度化!有趣.是的,那就可以解释问题了.该文档不存在,应明确说明.Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.
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- 2019-03-27
- luchonacho
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如果他们不按年计算,那就不好If they dont annualize thats bad
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- 2019-03-27
- Ezy
有一项有趣的新服务可以比较面包师的投资回报率,称为面包师绩效指数.它不同于其他检查方式(例如,参见面包师的预期ROI为7.10%.这似乎是巨大的差异.其余面包师也是如此.这是怎么回事?为什么会有这种差异?我想念什么吗?还是仅仅是缺乏责任感,使面包师的工资少了?